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Introduction
Is Medium good for fiction writers?
Medium is a publishing platform where writers can get paid for their words. And my guest, Zulie Rane is one of the top writers there. But there’s something very important about Zulie that might make you pay close attention to what she has to say.
If you listened to my interview with Sinem G眉nel a few weeks ago, you’ll know there’s some pretty great earning potential through Medium’s platform.
But then I talked to Allison Buccola, a debut author, and I started thinking about how to merge these two writing careers. How can fiction writers improve their book sales using Medium?
So if you write fiction, there’s this really important added incentive to write on Medium, but before Zulie tells you how to maximize your bookselling potential, I’ll tell you that special thing about Zulie.
It’s this: she wants to be a fiction writer. I know most of you who follow the podcast, want to write fiction as well. So how can you use Medium’s platform to make money? And more importantly, develop a readership that will buy your books. I asked Zulie Rane what her plan would be for promoting her fiction.
Her answer was so interesting. And will hopefully make you start thinking about ways to find readers for your own work.
Check out the interview below!
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- How to get started on medium
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- How fiction writers can use Medium to find readers
- Zulie鈥檚 darkest moment as a writer
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Biography
Zulie Rane is a freelance content creator and top writer on Medium. She has more than 46,000 followers and has built a six-figure writing income.
On her website, she shares how to build a writing career that you can be proud of!
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Zulie Rane: I think the mistake, a lot of novelists make on medium is maybe they start to write about writing, which is the thing that they know most about.
David Gwyn: Raise your hand. If you’ve heard this writers don’t make money, you need a day job writing is just a hobby. If you have three hands raised right now, then you’re one of countless writers who have heard the same speech from people who often do want the best for you. That’s what makes this so difficult because the people telling you you’re wasting your time plucking away at the keyboard in the middle of the night or early in the morning.
They’re usually the ones who love you the most, but here’s the reality. All you need to do to prove them wrong is to sell books and to sell books. You need readers. So how do you. How do you get people to invest in your writing? Hey everyone, I’m David Gwen. I’m on the path to make writing my full-time job.
Follow me on my journey. As I share interviews, craft advice, as well as efficiency and productivity for writers who take their stories seriously, it doesn’t matter if you’re new to writing or a seasoned vet, as long as you’re a writer, who’s [00:01:00] serious about your craft, then this podcast is for you. So be sure to subscribe.
Medium is a publishing platform where writers can get paid for their words. And my guest is Zulie Rane is one of the top writers there, but there’s something very important about Zulie that might make you pay close attention to what she has to say. If you listen to my interview with Sinem G眉nel a few weeks ago, you’ll know there’s some pretty great earning potential through mediums platform.
Then I talk to Alison Buccola, a debut author, and I started thinking about how to merge these two writing career. How can fiction writers improve their book sales using medium. So if you write fiction, there’s this really important added incentive to write on medium, but before Zulie tells you how to maximize your bookselling potential, I’ll tell you that special thing about Zulie.
It’s this, she wants to be a fiction writer. I know most of you who follow the podcast, want to write fiction as well. So how can you use medium’s platform to make money, but more importantly, [00:02:00] develop a readership that will buy your books. I asked Zulie Rane what her plan would be for promoting her fiction.
Using Medium. Her answer was so interesting. And will hopefully make you start thinking about ways to find readers for your own work. Let’s get to the interview.
So Zulie, let’s, let’s kind of dive right in. Let’s talk about how you got started writing. Did you always want to be a writer or is this something that came about as you.
Zulie Rane: I’ve always wanted to be a writer. I always thought I would be a fiction writer a novelist. I, you know, I still remember, I don’t know how old I was, maybe like seven or eight opening the book, looking at the back cover and realizing books.
Don’t just to, they don’t spring into being fully formed. Somebody writes them. It’s somebody’s job to create those. And I was like, oh, amazing. That could be me. And that’s actually, I think I must have been like maybe 10 or 11 when I came up with Zulie, which is my pen name. I, you know, scribbled a bunch of options on the back of a napkin and thought this one sounded the jazziest and well, My parents are sensible people.
I took a [00:03:00] lot of sensible classes and I realized becoming a novelist is not as easy as I thought it might be. It requires a lot of luck. A lot of my favorite novelists actually work full-time jobs in addition to writing. novels unbelievable. Yeah. But then yeah, in 2018 I was working in a account managerial position for a small startup and.
I had to wear a lot of hats. And one of the hats I got to where I was the marketing hat and I started writing a blog for them and I loved it. It was a lot of fun. I was. Yeah, doing stuff that would help their sales. And I was kind of learning about headlines and learning about introductions. And around the same time I had an Instagram account for my cats.
And I’d, I’d read that you should like have a blog to bolster their Instagram presence so people could feel closer to the cats. And so I started my own blog on medium for the cats. You can probably tell because nowadays I don’t write cat stuff as much, but that evolved along the way. And yeah, I just started writing about different things.
Realized I could find an [00:04:00] audience on medium and that evolve to where we are now today. And
David Gwyn: when, and when you started on medium, so it sounds like it was more to grow the Instagram. When did it kind of click that it could be part of your income, like part of something that, that helped you make a living?
Zulie Rane: I will say that, I got very lucky.
I think it was my first month on medium. I made 500, no, sorry. My first month on medium, I made $3. That was still amazing to me. Cause I was like money from writing about cats. Incredible!. But
David Gwyn: my buy a coffee with that. Right? Right.
Zulie Rane: Exactly. Yeah. The best coffee I’ve ever had. Yeah. But then the next month I wrote this, listicle called how to piss off your cat.
And it got curated, which back in those days was a huge deal on medium, which meant that the medium distributors had read it and said, yeah, this is good people who like cats, people who like humor will love this. So they promoted it to a bunch of medium readers. And that story went on to earn me a couple hundred dollars my first, my second month on medium.
And [00:05:00] that was when I realized that there’s a huge amount of potential in medium. And if I wrote about cats, in addition to other things, maybe I could make even more money. So that first year I was on medium, it was just all about figuring out how to optimize medium. Writing on medium, if that makes sense, like titles or headlines and topics and all the other good stuff.
David Gwyn: Yeah, I think that’s, I think that’s such an interesting route to, to hear about, I think you know, my, my audience, people who primarily listened to me and, and interact with me are made up of fiction writers, which is really why I wanted to have you on, because I feel like medium. Is valuable outside of just the income.
And I imagine you agree with me and I feel like if writers fiction writers are able to write these, like how to articles list posts, even just about the fiction writing process and what they’ve learned. I feel like it’s an opportunity for them to kind of gain a readership for their fiction. And it’s just something that I don’t [00:06:00] see a lot on there.
It feels very much like the people who own the medium space or like the marketing, you know, people, people who are writing like these non-fiction, but like, I know, I know fiction doesn’t do well on medium in and of itself. But do you see like a way for fiction writers to use medium, to bring people to their writing.
Zulie Rane: The really cool thing about medium is that, and I firmly believe this. There is an audience out there for just about every imaginable interest. It’s huge. There’s there are so many so many readers on medium, and I actually have thought of a strategy for how I would get fiction readers on medium and get them off medium and like buying and reading my book.
If I, if I went that route and I think the first thing you have to do is figure it out. Fiction readers, whatever niche you like to write in. Like, for me, I’m, I’m very keen to write a romcom, like a, like a Sally Thorne style. And I would love to do a fantasy novel. I feel like that’s more ambitious because it’s so dense, but I try to figure out what they like to read.
Like what nonfiction they like to read when they’re not reading [00:07:00] books. Like, like I hope mine will be, and I would start to target that space with my own blog posts. I think the mistake, a lot of novelists make on medium is maybe they start to write about writing, which is the thing that they know most about.
And if you reach other writers awesome, they will probably support your book, but that’s not going to be the bulk of your readership, or hopefully it won’t be, hopefully there’ll be reaching people who don’t, who aren’t reading your stuff because they want to write their own novel. Right? Like you’ve reached people who want to read your book because they love it.
So that’s what I would do. Okay. Publish stuff, targeting the readership that I imagined I exist on medium and I would make my own publication on medium. How much I should ask, how much do people who listen to this know about.
David Gwyn: I don’t know, I’m trying to get a sense of that. I, I would, I would imagine they all are familiar enough with it. They know it as a platform, but in just kind of, kind of talking to people who, who listen to my stuff. Like, it seems like they don’t see it as. Useful for them, if that makes sense.
Zulie Rane: Yeah. Okay. I’ll, [00:08:00] I’ll explain.
I forget that not everyone lives in medium, like I do. So I’ll try to make things a little more sensible for people who maybe aren’t as familiar with the topics, but yeah. So on medium, you can make something called a publication, which is just basically a collection of theme stories. You can make your own, you can submit to other ones that exist on the platform.
Anybody can make one, anybody can run. They’re run by real people. They’re not usually run by medium employees. They’re run by other Medium writers. Those publications are so useful for, for anybody. Who’s trying to figure out what their audience is into because people who follow the publication, they, they are saying with that follow that, that’s what they like to read about.
That’s what they’re interested in. And if you manage to publish in that publication, if you say hi, editor of. I don’t know, fantasy readers.com. That’s a made up publication. I made that case. It wasn’t clear. I would love to submit this article about the top 10 theories for Brandon [00:09:00] Sanderson’s fifth Stormlight archive novel.
I want to write that article for your publication. Will you let me publish it? You publish it. Tons of people. Read your stuff and maybe they’ll follow you. Yeah. And then that’s how I would start building an audience of people who I think will be interested in the kind of things that I ultimately want to write about in a novel, not just non-fiction and that’s the power of public.
Yeah.
David Gwyn: Yeah, I think that’s so cool. And I think something like that, like I said, that I feel like fiction writers. Aren’t utilizing to the level that I see even non-fiction writers. A lot of non-fiction writers are on medium. And I think because it feels like a non-fiction platform, but I think that crossover is, is so possible, which is like I said, why I wanted you on, because I knew that.
I had a feeling you would have already thought about how to, to move into that fiction space, knowing what I knew about you, which is that, you know, you do want to write fiction as well. So what are you, what are you working on now? What is the, what is the next step for you?
Zulie Rane: It might not look like this from the outside. Cause I try really hard to make it look like this is all a very, well-polished a well-oiled machine, but my writing business [00:10:00] grew really organically. I added pieces here and there picking up different streams as I saw fit. So this year was the year I wanted to start taking my business more seriously.
I wanted to start experimenting with different ways to grow my income. I wanted to start connecting with. My audience more as well. I wanted to start talking to them about what would be useful for me to make for them. So the short answer is this what’s next for me is I’m going to be trying to launch something new every month and what that’s looked like for January and February, I did something really cool.
That was really scary to me, but it was really fun. I did a small group coaching program where I had between 10 and 15 people and they signed up to my cohort and we did. Lessons. We did group calls. We did exercises and writing prompts together over the course of four weeks. And that was so fun. I had such a good time doing that and I’m currently working my way through the second cohort now.
And it’s been amazing to see, to get to interact with people more closely than just like answering comments on a YouTube video or answering emails. That’s been [00:11:00] fantastic. But. In the future. I don’t know if I want to keep doing the cohorts. I’m thinking about maybe doing an cohorts in a, in a different direction, like maybe how to use medium to take your wedding business to the next level or how to target medium.
If you’re like a total beginner writer. Very different audiences. And then this month, my, my launch was that I did a webinar for the first time, which I’d never done before, which seems weird to say, cause it’s not one business thing everyone’s supposed to do, but I, I did a webinar. It was super fun again.
And I used it to promote my course that I recorded About publications. And that was also very interesting. I learned a ton and it went pretty well. That’s so
David Gwyn: cool. So the, the webinar I’m assuming it was about medium and in about publications, is that right?
Zulie Rane: Yeah, so it was interesting. As I mentioned, I started medium in 2018 and I I’ll be honest about this. I think I got lucky. It’s a lot easier to keep going and keep that motivation when you’ve already been rewarded and you already [00:12:00] see the potential. I think a lot of people start on medium and they don’t get lucky right away.
And I’ll be Frank. It’s harder to get started on medium today than it was when I started in 2018. It’s a lot more crowded, a lot more people know the potential of making money here. So I wanted to know exactly how hard it was to get started. So I started my very own total secret ghost profile, brand new name.
Didn’t tell anybody I knew I wanted to get a real sense. If I was brand new to the platform, how hard would it be to get started? And medium recently changed their payment guidelines. They used to pay you based on. Whenever a paying media member read your story. Now they’ve kind of increased the, the entry barrier.
You have to have 100 followers before they start paying you. So that was my benchmark. I wanted to see how long it would take me to get to 100 followers and start earning money. So that’s what the webinar was about because I got there a couple of weeks ago and I was like, finally, it’s been like six months.
But I wanted to talk to people and say like, look. It is possible. You can still do it. I did it. The only thing I have to my name is that I’m good at [00:13:00] writing. And I know a lot of other people are too. So if I can do it from scratch, then so can you. And that was, yeah, it was, it was very, very strange and fun to see how medium was now compared to how it was when I started.
David Gwyn: I’m so glad you brought that up. Cause I wanted to ask, cause I, I read the post about that and, and I’m curious, like if there was, if there was kind of one thing that you learned about starting a medium account. From from brand new, fresh without, without any followers. If there’s one thing that like clicked for you that you’re like new medium writers need to be doing this, what
Zulie Rane: is it?
And the answer is very simple. It’s publications. I know I’ve been harping about it, this whole call, but I really feel like new beginners, especially don’t take advantage of publications. What I have, I don’t know, 46,000 followers on medium today under my Zulie persona. When I publish on medium, medium has a group of people that can send my story to right away.
And then if they engage well with that, that’ll expand. That’s great. If you start and you don’t have any followers, medium has no idea [00:14:00] who to show your story to. Back in the day, they had the curation distribution mechanism to. Manually promote certain stories that they thought were good, but they’re overwhelmed with stories.
They can’t do that for every new writer on the platform anymore publications. Aren’t such a good shortcut. You have a targeted readership. You already know what they like to read about. you have all this information.
You have all this data, you have all this research you can do. And that’s what I did. I, I went into PR publication. And I didn’t go for big publications. I didn’t talk about self-improvement. I didn’t talk about how to make money. I wanted to know how hard it would be to grow. If I talked about very small niche topics, the answer is it’s it’s possible.
And I targeted publications that were, that were leaders in that space. And I looked at the research, what topics do well within those publications? What titles do well, what causes controversy, what causes engagement and those words. That’s what I targeted and yeah, it was successful.
David Gwyn: Yeah. That’s so cool.
And, and if, so, I know you have this cohort that you’re working on. And so you’ve been doing some coaching and [00:15:00] you’ve been talking to medium writers. So kind of in that same, like what should should writers do right off the bat? My next question is what is a big mistake or maybe the biggest mistake that new writers on medium are making.
Zulie Rane: There are so many that I see people make
David Gwyn: and you can, you can do two or three. If it helps.
Zulie Rane: I’ve got so much sympathy because it’s, they’re easy mistakes to make, but it’s the kind of thing that if you don’t know, you don’t know and you’d never know. So I think the first one is trying to publish every day.
And this is something I see so much advice about this on medium. There are a lot of writers who have carved out a niche, advising new medium writers, which is. It’s it’s exists, it’s there and they say, okay, you need to be publishing every day. If you want to start making traction, I don’t think that’s true.
I think that’s actually hurting you. If you’re publishing every day, you don’t have time to make good articles that are going to perform well. You don’t have time to do the research on the titles on figuring out which publication is [00:16:00] going to be a good fit. I got to a hundred followers. I think I’m up to actually over 200 now by publishing once per week for six months, it was a bit of a drag.
Yes. I think it took me 18 stories, but those stories are now performing. Like they’re not performing better retroactively. And it meant that I didn’t have to burn out in an effort to reach those 100 followers publishing every day as a mistake. And I wish more writers understood that they don’t have to be constantly publishing content in order to get traction and noticed on the plus.
I think the second mistake I see people make is that they think that they have to write about the topics that they see performing well on medium, which right now, as you can imagine is about the war and Ukraine or the classic. 10 tips to live your life better. Number one, wake up at 5:00 AM. You know, the classics or how to make money, whether that’s writing on medium or another method.
The fact is those are, those are [00:17:00] easier ways to make money than some niche topics. But if you don’t know anything about that, That area, if you don’t have anything new to contribute, writing a tired listicle, it’s not going to succeed. And it’s going to demoralize you when you’re writing, you’re going to write something and you’re going to be like, well, why didn’t nobody read this?
I’m seeing this kind of stuff go viral all the time. Why don’t they want mine? And the truth is it’s because the stuff that goes viral, it’s usually. Those writers have an, audience, those writers have established what they were experts there and, and you right now and you don’t and that’s okay. It’s medium is so cool because you can write about whatever you want.
You don’t have to write listicles about how to live your life better if you don’t want to. And I find many people don’t, they want to write about the stuff that interests them, their niche interests, their model, train collection, their cats, you know, and mediums, great for that.
David Gwyn: Yeah, I think that’s such a good message to, just for people to hear.
And like I said, my audience specifically, who, who deals a lot in fiction and I think probably goes on medium, sees those articles and they’re like, I don’t make any money writing right now. You know, I have nothing to contribute, but, but they do. [00:18:00] It’s just about finding that niche and publishing stories that, that will get you an audience that it will come back to read.
Because again, you know, you have a big audience, but if they don’t come back to read them, then what’s the point, right?
So we heard how Zuli thinks about building a following for her writing and how she suggested doing it for fiction writers. It got me thinking about how I can implement her plan for my writing.
Next I asked Julie how she structures her days, her mindset and resources. She suggests for people getting started with a freelance career or just writing in general. She also shares some of the tougher moments she’s had as a full-time writer and how she overcame them. Let’s get back to the.
Some of my favorite content that you do is, is I know you have a YouTube channel and you, so you have like, you’re doing all kinds of things, your YouTube channel, you, you know, you’re still publishing on medium.
You’ve got this, this other publication. So what is your daily routine like, like, do you have a daily routine? And if so, what does that look like?
Zulie Rane: I don’t think I have a daily routine. [00:19:00] I, because you’ve, I mean, you said it, my, my income sources are. Hmm. I have a, I have a weekly routine. Like I have things that I, that I get done every week.
Pretty much whatever we come, I have those things that I need to get done. What day those tasks happen on various considerably. So every week. My routine is something like write an article for myself, for Zulie, write an article for my secret go’s profile for the past six months. I normally try to either script a YouTube video or film a YouTube video, or edit a YouTube video.
Normally two of those three, at least. And then the second week I’ll do whichever one I did. Before I normally have two or three pieces of client work to do again, those get spread out throughout the day as they come. And I normally try to spend a solid amount of time, my time answering YouTube comments, answering emails, and looking for other types of content I can make that would be useful.
So for example, [00:20:00] one of my most popular YouTube videos at the moment is a review of Textbroker, which is this copywriting agency. Yeah, you can cut. You have to like apply, you get a star rating and then based on your star rating, you can then do bits of work for literal pennies per word. It’s very bad. But I, you know, that was something, I was getting a lot of questions on like how, what are other ways to make money writing?
So I was like, oh, well, I’ll test out. Textbroker. And so again, we spent a good chunk of week, my weeks time on investigating options. Like.
David Gwyn: That’s cool. And so if you’re listening to this and, and I will share Zulie’s YouTube channel because it’s so useful for like all things medium, but, but even beyond it, I think that’s it.
It’s really great resource. So if you’re listening to this, definitely check that out. So I wanna, I want to ask it may be, it’s a question about medium, but maybe it’s not, but obviously in, in writing careers, especially, and then you kind of mentioned this about like those, like the sensible career path.
Is there a moment that sticks out to you that felt particularly difficult or [00:21:00] challenging an experience as a creator that you thought like, maybe I can’t make this work for me. Maybe I have to go back to the nine to five. Is there like a moment that sticks out in your mind? Okay.
Zulie Rane: There aren’t moments so much as there are phases.
I go through, I do have days where I’m like, oh God, I can’t keep doing this anymore. I’m so tired. And I start looking at like, I don’t think I’ve ever gone so far as to like, apply to anything. But I have had moments where I look at jobs on LinkedIn or whatever. I’m like, oh, I could be an account manager again.
I think. I had a bit of a wobble in January, this January actually. Cause I had three freelance clients normally give me a pretty regular amount of work, say like, oh, we’re scaling back for XYZ reasons. I was very happy. It wasn’t to do with me. Like it was nothing to do with my writing quality, but it was a factor totally out of my control.
And it meant that I was going to get a percentage less income than. Just because, and I, I’m a, I’m a routine person. I [00:22:00] like schedule. I like knowing what’s what I’ve got coming up. I like knowing what I can control and not having that experience of like, oh, money can just go. I won’t have anything to do with that.
And suddenly I wake up and I’m like, oh, I’m not making that money this month. Great. Wow. That was a, that was a little scary, but it’s, it, it incentivized me to try some new things. Like the cohort actually came as a result of that.
David Gwyn: Oh, that’s great. So it feels like to me, so I, I, I’m a teacher. I, I work like a regular job and it, it feels very much like to me, that that is the scary part that a lot of people are afraid of is that moment where somebody scales back or you lose a part of your income or something doesn’t perform as well as you thought.
And so it’s really heartening to hear somebody who has as much success as you’ve had sitting there going like, Ooh, like, can I make it work? And like, I think that idea of pivoting like you did is, is really important for people to hear is like, if you, if you get stuck on something, don’t just like grind it down, like think about, well, where can I pivot to?
So I’m glad you mentioned that that’s, that’s really [00:23:00] helpful. . So if you had a magic wand and could fix one part of medium, what would it be?
Zulie Rane: I wish there was a little bit more visibility into why things happen the way they do. So for example, sometimes I’ll have a story go viral and. To me. I’m like, well, why didn’t the story I broke last week, go viral. It had a very similar title structure. It was about a very similar topic. I published it to the same publication, the same followers presumably had access to it.
Like what triggered it? And obviously medium can’t like write a little blurb on every story. Like, oh, this went viral because XYZ, but having more information around, like what, how my readers found the story? Like, did they get it through the digested? They get it because they liked that publication. Did they get it because.
They’ve subscribed to receive alerts when I publish or something like that, or trying to understand even what percentage of my readers are reading my words. My followers are reading my work. So I have 46,000 followers as I mentioned earlier, [00:24:00] but I very rarely get 46,000 views on a story. It’s it’s, it’s an uncommon occurrence.
I would love to know when I publish a story. How many of my regular followers are reading that how many are new followers? How many followers did I get as a result of that story? These are, I mean, these are analytics that are available on platforms like YouTube and Instagram, but medium doesn’t have them yet.
I would love to have more insight into what my audience likes, how they find my stuff, how they’re engaging with my stuff in the long end, the short term, that’d be really cool to have. That’s what I would fix.
David Gwyn: Yeah, those metrics would be really helpful. I’m sure. Okay. So are there any books or resources you suggest for people who are aspiring writers either on medium or, or otherwise?
Zulie Rane: There are a couple of creators who helped me get my foot in the door when I was starting out. I had never read any like books. I’ve kind of learned everything from other people rather than from. The traditional courses or like textbooks or anything like that. So the one person I would recommend as a must follow, if you’re trying to get started with media is [00:25:00] Sinem G眉nel
One thing I love about her is she has a range of content that’s geared to help writers. Articles, which you can access for free. There are eBooks. If you want to pay some money, there are courses. If you’re ready to invest a lot of time and money, and she’s also like a relentlessly positive force on medium, as you can imagine, there were a lot of people who sign up because they think it’s an easy way to make money.
And then when they find out it’s not easy to make money writing they, they get bitter. They get really jaded. And so Medium and the platforms around medium can be kind of negative. And if you’re a new writer and you fall into one of those by accident, It’s not a great feeling because you start feeling like everything’s hopeless and pointless.
She runs a Facebook group that is very practical. I mean, it’s, it’s critical of Medium more. It needs to be, but it’s not like, oh my God, Medium hates me. Everything sucks. There’s no point to writing anything it’s full of practical, constructive advice. And I enjoy hanging out there. It’s a, it’s a really cool place.
So I’d recommend her profile and her.
David Gwyn: Cool. Yeah, I’ll link that stuff too, which is, which is really [00:26:00] helpful for people. Where can people find you? Where can people look you up
Zulie Rane: the place? I most frequently post comment content is my medium profile. zulie.medium.com. You can also find my content on YouTube.
I post stuff there twice a month.
David Gwyn: Like I said, I follow you on, on, on YouTube. And I think the stuff that you’re putting out is so helpful for people.
Zulie Rane: Oh, thank you.
I also have a website Zuliewrites.com where I post less frequently, but that’s where I post. More personal branded stuff. If you do have any questions after listening to this, feel free to email me, you can find my contact form on my website and I would look to help out with any question you have.
David Gwyn: Nice. So yeah, I’ll link to all that stuff.
So everyone’s got quick access to it. And last question if there was one thing that you would hope that people would take away from this conversation? What might that one thing be.
Zulie Rane: If you’re writing online, medium is the best place to do that because you, no matter what you’re writing about, you’ll find your audience and it’s, there’s some luck involved.
Yes. [00:27:00] But I’ve proven to myself hard work, time, effort. Commitment is also enough to get you over the finish line and you can, you’re getting paid to explore how to make money writing with your business, whether you’re looking for fiction writers or whether you’re looking to make a living by blogging. At the very least you’ll get paid to experiment and explore this options of you’re publishing on Medium.
David Gwyn: Yeah, that’s cool. Such a good message to end with. Zulie, I had so much fun. Thank you so much for hanging out with me. And, and I’m sure that people will, will learn a lot from this conversation.
Zulie Rane: Likewise. David. Yeah. Thank you so much.
David Gwyn: So there you have it.
If you want to write fiction, one of the most important investments you can make is finding readers who will read your work. Having access to people who are potential readers can be invaluable for your career. So whether it’s medium or some other social media platform, start thinking about how to reach readers and how that can turn your debut novel into a smash.
Here a few clips of what’s to come in the second season of the writerly lifestyle podcast. If you haven’t subscribed yet, make sure you do that now. So you don’t miss any of the fun. I’ll see you soon.[00:28:00]
Paulette Perhach: So it’s interesting how, you know, you learn these skills as a writer and they can be applied in so many different ways. I mean the same narrative structure that is going to be the engine of my novel is also the engine of a great PowerPoint presentation.
Ericka Baldwin: In that same step. And in that same breath, you want to complete research as to what type of editing that you’ll need. And that, that, you know, you have to reflect really, and truly, you have to take a look at your own manuscript
